Todd V Programs Indirect Game - Advanced Opening and Hooking 05/21/22 Пикап тодд mentoring program
Date: 05/21/22
(0:07) Lecture topic
(0:25) Special important for intermediates
(2:17) When you should start being indirect in your game
(4:21) The tradeoff with being indirect
(5:29) Most indirect game style which still worked
(9:02) What does Todd suggest?
(9:53) Methods of Being Indirect
(10:52) How to know your level in game?
(15:42) If you want to compliment the girl, you can, if you do this.
(17:48) Where to find examples of the effective indirect game?
(18:45) How about beyond-intermediate results?
(18:51) Is it better to be more direct if the girl is more direct herself? Such as Eastern European girls.
(21:21) You once did a video that when done right the mystery method/indirect game is the most powerful game you’ve ever seen. Do you still think that’s true at the highest level?
(27:25) The idea of the game
(29:07) I’ve erred on the side of going too direct lately because I had a few interactions where I was too subtle and got friend-zoned. Also with language barriers, I think it helps to be more direct maybe, especially if she already kinda likes you based on your looks.
(30:50) What are the Evaluation and Narrative stages? How do you do them?
(34:02) How to know if you’ve gotten the “direct“ game down before moving on to the indirect game? What does the direct game done well look like?
(35:39) The Game seemed all about disqualification as a premise. Do you endorse this as the best way to establish the premise overall? Particularly with hotter sets.
(38:45) What are some methods of being indirect?
(39:00) “You seem interesting/You have an interesting look“ in-field with some girls. Responded with “What do you mean/Are you being sarcastic?“ like they think I’m trying to offend them.
(42:57) How do you sexualize a set when it comes to indirectness? Is it divorced from escalating for the most part? Does the “You’d make a good ex-girlfriend“ line work because of the point about making it in the negative?
(46:12) You’d make a good ex-girlfriend just sounds like a corny line to me. What does it even mean?
(49:51) What is the best class to take for a complete beginner?
50:21) I want to master push-pulling but when I practice push-pulling people from pictures or TV, my negative spike ideas always just sound too mean, like insults. How can I better practice push-pulls?
(54:37) I chicken out on direct approaches. How can I get over that?
(55:40) Sometimes in in-field footage of yours and JP’s it seems the girl is on right away or very much close enough whether the opener is direct/indirect etc. When beginners or intermediates replicate these verbal lines but don’t get the same response, what do you usually attribute this to? Assuming it’s not all about looks.
(58:19) When you do daygame moving sets, is it most of the time useful to go direct? I feel like you have to get to the point faster.
(1:01:36) So would an example of indirect/advanced game milestones to note for practice basically be situational tease or opener, push-pull, negative, and continue with some light banter and screening?
(1:02:11) I can’t seem to catch a break these days with women. How do you recover from a date that basically sucks out all your confidence and motivation? As in, the entire interaction more or less confirmed every negative belief you had about your ability with women and almost kills whatever hope you had of getting better with them?
(1:02:51) My biggest concern with the indirect game is the premise is not being strong enough or the girl thinking I’m not interested in her. For some reason, those indirect lines fly over her head which is why I stick to the direct game. What could I be doing wrong?
(1:04:12) Maybe doing push-pulls that strongly convey the premise are solutions. I also had situations where the indirect game felt too subtle and went over the girl’s head.
(1:04:39) This call mentioned hooking in the title. Would love to crack into this big sticking point.
(1:08:17) What are the consequences of having a lot of control due to a girl liking you but having less power in that situation? Are you just less likely to get a meaningful close and get “pleasant compliance“ so to speak?
(1:09:04) (Live follow-up question) So if you have a lot of control, I assume that means the girl likes you. But if you have low power, I guess that would mean she wouldn’t view you as high value and wouldn’t want to win you over/hook up with you eventually.
(1:10:29) Flipping the script is still a good indirect form of the premise?
(1:11:33) What are good indirect openers or push-pull openers for the online game when the girl doesn’t speak great English? Like simple push-pull openers.
(1:12:27) What are your favorite push-pulls?
(1:13:38) For dating apps, is it better to be more direct or indirect?
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